Das Dax-Unternehmen prescht damit kräftig vor in Sachen Gleichberechtigung und Chancengleichheit, schließlich gibt es bisher in nahezu keinem der 30 Dax-Vorstände eine Frau, Aunahme: Barbara Kux bei Siemens. Damit lautet die Regel in Deutschland: Je höher die Position, desto wahrscheinlicher ist der Inhaber ein Mann.
Keine Frage, das ist ungerecht, riecht verdächtig nach Diskriminierung und passt ins Bild: Schon länger ist nachgewiesen, dass Frauen selbst in gleichen Berufen und Positionen rund 23 Prozent weniger verdienen als Männer. Eine Studie des Deutschen Instituts für Wirtschaftsforschung (DIW) kam 2009 gar zum Ergebnis, dass es in den 100 größten Unternehmen in Deutschland nur 2,5 Prozent weibliche Vorstände gibt und 10 Prozent weibliche Aufsichtsräte – die Mehrheit entsandt von den Gewerkschaften. Aber deswegen Frauenquoten einführen?
Nein.
Jede Quote – ob bezogen auf Geschlecht, Hautfarbe, Religion oder Alter – ist nur eine andere Form der Diskriminierung. Das ist so, als wolle man Zahnschmerzen mit Bonbons heilen. Wer Frauenquoten einführt, diskriminiert damit dann eben Männer. Ungerecht bleibt es so oder so. Und es ist auch noch zum Nachteil des Unternehmens.
Die Vergabe von Positionen sollte ausschließlich über die fachliche und persönliche Eignung eines Kandidaten erfolgen. Der oder die Beste sollte am Ende den Job bekommen – egal, ob Mann oder Frau, ob jung oder alt. Wer hier mit einer Quote hantiert, riskiert nur Mittelmaß: Der schlechtere Bewerber wird bevorzugt, weil er (oder sie) ein gerade unterrepräsentiertes Merkmal erfüllt, das jedoch weder unmittelbar mit den Anforderungen des Jobs, noch mit seiner individuellen Leistungsfähigkeit zusammenhängt. Wozu soll das gut sein?
Der Telekom-Vorstoß ist daher vor allem eines: ein PR-Signal. Es soll zeigen: Seht her, liebe Frauen, wir sind zwar eine High-Tech-Bude, aber wir wollen nicht nur Männer einstellen. Im Gegenteil: Wir fördern Frauen sogar! Es ist eine geschickte Maßnahme zum Employer Branding, gut getimt und mit erwünschter medialer Wirkung. Dass es eine wichtige Diskussion neu entfacht, ist sicher ebenfalls löblich. Trotzdem heilt der Zweck nicht das Mittel.
Und so wird die Mehrheit der anderen Dax-Unternehmen dem Telekom-Beispiel zum Glück auch nicht folgen. Zwar wollen alle großen Unternehmen in den nächsten Jahren ihren Frauenanteil im Management steigern (was gut ist) – die Mehrheit jedoch ohne Quote (was klug ist).
Ohnehin wird die Demografie viel von den derzeit herrschenden Verhältnissen in den kommenden Jahren verschieben. Mehr Mädchen als Jungen machen heute Abitur, mehr Frauen schließen ein Studium ab, noch dazu mit oft besseren Noten. Der Frauenanteil bei den Absolventen wirtschaftswissenschaftlicher Studiengänge liegt aktuell etwa bei rund 60 Prozent. Und da junge Nachwuchskräfte insgesamt in Deutschland rar werden, können die Unternehmen gar nicht anders, als Frauen mehr als bisher zu fördern und breiter in allen Ebenen und Positionen einzusetzen.
Das Problem taucht vielmehr an einer ganz anderen Stelle auf – ist aber auch dort nicht durch eine Quote zu lösen: Frauen sind nach wie vor in besonders nachgefragten technischen Studiengängen wie Elektrotechnik, Maschinenbau oder Informatik unterrepräsentiert. Deshalb trifft die Nachfrage von Seiten der Wirtschaft hier noch immer auf ein vermindertes Angebot. Ziel muss deshalb sein, mehr Frauen für diese Berufe zu begeistern – aber auch in diesen Berufen Arbeits(zeit)modelle zu schaffen, die den Bedürfnissen von Frauen im Beruf gerechter werden.
Das sind sicher keine Sofortmaßnahmen, dafür wirken sie nachhaltiger – und gerechter.
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[...] Wie ich gerade sehe, hat mein Kollege Jochen Mai eine andere Meinung zu diesem Thema. Trotzdem [...]
Wenn nach Quoten oder VitaminB Jobs vergeben werden, dann machts nicht der oder die beste sondern irgendeiner der eingesetzt wird, weil er/sie ein Atribut aufweist was nichts mit der Stelle zu tun hat sondern mit einem schwachsinnigen Vorgabe.
Dann brauchen wir auch kein Gymnasium sondern einfach eine Geld oder Frauenschule, die dann entsprechend die Menschen fördert und sortiert, die in diese Quoten passen.
Wenns der oder die Besten machen, dann kommt es zu Erneuerung und Entwicklung. Aber wenn ich jemnaden dransetze, ders nicht kann, dann habe ich Stillstand oder Tod.
René Obermann zeigt nun seine sexistische Seite. Wieso werden nur Managerinnen gefördert? Sind “normale” Frauen nun kein Thema für ihn? Wieso wird die Frauenquote in der Technik nicht forciert? Meint er, Frauen könnten das nicht? Und wieso gibt es keine Männerquote beim Reinigungspersonal der Telekom? Kurz: Wieso darf ein Sexist den T-Vorstand spielen? T-VERstand wäre eher angebracht… Unfassbar. Ein Skandal!
Es war einmal vor langer Zeit in einem asiatischen Land mit “Bürgerquote”. D.h. der Proporz der verschiedenen Rassen/Úntergruppen musste auch in den Unternehmen eingehalten werden. Leute, ich kann Euch aus eigener Praxis versichern : das war eines meiner grössten Probleme überhaupt ! Was ausserdem gerne übersehen wird, ist, dass diese Vorstandsjobs keineswegs wirklich erstrebenswerte Positionen sind. Wer will sich schon so einen Job mit Zeitvertrag und 50 % plus Reisezeit antun ? Viele Frauen sind dafür einfach zu intelligent ! (Und ihre Kinder danken es ihnen – z.B. indem sie nicht in die Alkoholszene (etc) abdiften…)
Ist doch sehr geschickt: Besetze ich 30% der Positionen mir Frauen, habe ich etwas fürs Image getan und auch noch Gehaltskosten gespart !
Herr Mai, eigentlich heisst es doch immer “Bei gleicher(!) Qualifikation werden Frauen bevorzugt berücksichtigt” – und da Frauen nicht im Stehen pinkeln können(wollen), sind eben nicht beide Gruppen gleichqualifiziert …
@T-Offline: Den Pinkel-Vergleich finde ich offen gestanden geschmacklos. Der Hinweis auf die Gehaltsunterschiede dagegen hat was: In der Tat ließen sich so bei gegebenem Gehaltsgefälle auf einen Schlag 23% Lohnkosten sparen – und die Frauen (sowie die Öffentlichkeit) würden dazu noch applaudieren. Wie hinterhältig!
nun – wenn schon nachgewiesen ist, dass Frauen & Mädchen die besseren Bildungsabschlüsse haben kann es doch kein Fehler sein mehr von dieser Personengruppe in die Vorstandsetagen zu erheben *?!*
Wir wissen doch um den explosive Narzissmus der Herren in Wirtschaft/Wissenschaft & Politik.
@Dummgefragt: Nun, wenn Sie tatsächlich sehr viel besser sind, brauchen die Frauen auch keine Quote, um sich durchzusetzen. Alles andere wäre der Beweis des Gegenteils.
Hallo Herr Mai…
23% Lohnkosteneinsparung bei einer Ausweitung der Frauenquote von 13% auf 30%… da müssen Sie aber nochmal nachrechnen…
Überhaupt muss ich leider sagen, daß mir diese “Gerechtigkeitsfrage” zu sozialdemokratisch ist. Viel spannender ist die Frage danach, was Männer im Job besser machen als Frauen, bzw. wie es zu diesen Unterschieden kommt. Meiner Erfahrung nach glauben viele Frauen, sie müssten nur lange genug warten um befördert zu werden. Ich glaube es fehlt oftmals einfach nur ein gewisses Maß an “Chuzpe”.
@c-nes: Wieso muss ich da nochmal nachrechen? 23% pro Führungskraft – Frauen verdienen im Schnitt 23% weniger als Männer. Fünf Frauen statt fünf Männer eingestellt – im Schnitt 23% Lohnkosten gespart. Aber natürlich meine ich das nicht als Empfehlung!
@ JOCHEN MAI : “… und die Frauen würden dazu applaudieren…” : Meine persönliche Erfahrung ist, dass die Fauen zwar “applaudieren”, aber im konkreten Fall s e l b e r lieber für für einen männlichen Vorgesetzten arbeiten… (Männer übrigens auch : das hat etwas mit der männlichen Identifikationsfigur -Vater- in der Familie zu tun)
Unsinn zu behaupten, man befördere nur das Mittelmaß, führte man die Quote ein. Das Gegenteil ist richtig. So mancher männliche Bewerber erhält doch heute gerade nur deshalb den Posten, weil er die Beziehung nutzt und eben nicht wegen besserer Eignung.
Als Student im Bereich Ingenierswissenschaften/Elektrotechnik kann ich sagen, dass im Bereich Frauen als Ingenieure ein Entwicklungsland ist. Die Frauemquote bei rund 60 Teilnehmern in 3 von 4 Semestern war genau 0, lediglich in einem Semester gab es eine weibliche (sehr gute) Kommilitonin. Das weibliche Geschlecht in diesem Land meidet MINT-Fächer meistens immer noch wie der Teufel das Weihwasser. Da muss unbedingt ein Mentalitätswechsel in diesem Land her, Quotenregelungen helfen gar nichts. Es gibt überhaupt nicht genügend Ingenieursabsolventinnen um irgendeine Quote über 15% erfüllen zu können.
Asiastische Gaststudenten/-innen aus z.B China oder Vietnam sind da viel weiter. Bei Ihnen beträgt die Absolventinnenquote bereits heute 30-40%. Dort sind wir von Asien längst weit abgehängt worden. Das Hauptproblem ist nicht die Diskriminierung sondern der schlechte (langweilige, uncoole) Ruf vieler naturwissenschaftlicher Faächer bei Männern aber vor allem auch Frauen.
Wenn in der Wirtschaft jetzt eine Frauenquote von 30% eingeführt
wird, dann verlange ich auch eine Männerquote von 30% in den
Schulen. in den Grundschulen liegt diese Quote im Moment bei 15%.
Lehrerjobs sind hochbezahlte, weil formell akademische Jobs, die
frei von Konjunkturrisiken oder Leistungskontrollen und in der
Summe viel attraktiver als normale Ingenieurjobs sind. Die
niedrige Männerquote ist nur durch systematische Diskriminierung
von Männern erklärbar.
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